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Mus: And when we say that Quran said this 1400 years back, you cal it a fairy tales book.. Why?
Doesnt this make more sense that whatever lawrence is saying today, is written in a book that is 1400 years old. Does that not make you think that HOW??
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Why do I call the Quran a book of mythology? Let me take a moment to pull that thought together into a cogent explanation.
Firstly, the foundational claim is that God spoke to Mohammed, is itself an unsupportable claim.
isn’t it odd that God hasn’t said boo since then? With all this new advancement, it is reasonable to conclude that God would once more reveal himself with some fresh advice.after all, God revealed himself to the Jews 6000 – 4000 years ago; through jesus 2000 years ago, and then Mohammed 1400 years ago. Seems He’s overdue for a conferenceWhat do we do today with people who say “God told me to do it. I heard him!”?
Besides, no matter how you cut it, I take severe issue with the claim that “god” spoke to anyone. In mental health circles, that’s referred to as delusion. and no one, not John the Revelator, not Jesus, and not even Mohammed get a pass on that.And then, no reply. :-P
Debating a Muslim creationist
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I’m up for a conversation. I’ll let you open it.
John, If you have time & if you are interested in knowing what i have to say, plzz tell me… ThanksTake care..
Sure.. Thanks for taking interest & taking out time..I would like to start by asking you a question..
If someday, a man with a knife & tatoos on his hand knocks at your door & asks you to let him in, he is the meter reader, what will you do? so, you used reasoning & commonsense to answer this question… Now using reasoning & commonsense lets talk…How was the universe created?
It began with a singularity, or possibly several singularities, which were so condensed of mass that they were forced to expand, creating the big bang. While that is not the whole picture, that is the concept in a nutshell, and has been proven through study of the expanding universe and being able to see the past due to the rate of light travelling through the cosmos, through cosmic radiation study, and through quantum mechanics.
ok, so it means that the universe began to exist and everything that has a beginning has a cause. Now, if you think of the possibilities of how the universe was created, there can be 3 possibilities, i. Created out of nothing. ii. Created itself or iii. Has been created and has a creator. Can you think of any more?
Physicist Steven Hawkin has explained this through quantum mechanics. In short, the universe came out of “nothing”. Through scientific research and direct observation, we know that particle matter does pop into and out of existence regularly in the universe, and therefore is perfectly capable of “creating” itself without the need of any kind of intervention. Here’s an article to help: http://www.space.com/20710-stephen-hawking-god-big-bang.html
hmm, john, the purpose of asking the question was that we will reason by using our own brains & commonsense.
Reason is led by observation; science IS observation. Where’s the problem?
Knowing science is using one’s brain.
Lawrence Krauss in his book talks about the quantum vacuum & he gives this the label as nothing. But inside that quantum vacuum in His own words, There Is A Boiling Bubbling Energy.And energy sounds like something..
And in his one chapter, he actually says: Nothing isn’t nothing anymore, it is NOTHING.. So he is misleading or he has written an absolute blunder.. And a person like Lawrence cannot make such a blunder so it means he is trying to mislead the masses.. Coz, nothing refers to NOTHING meaning completely nothing.. We know you love the guy & we know you hate religion (Islam is a way of life more than a religion), but put things in perspective & lets be honest with ourselves in terms of knowledge…. Does this make sense? Isnt, He clearly misleading. the problem is that we are not idots to just believe in everything anyone tells us.. We should ask ourselves that does this make sense.. If it doesnt than it means there is some problem…
No, he’s not misleading. He’s quite right. And nothing he says contradicts what we know about the origin of the universe. I’m quite familiar with Kraus
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As for your claim that Islam is not a religion, that is just erroneous. That is like saying christianity isn’t a religion. Bill O’Reilly caught hell (pun intended) for claiming as much.
When islam calls for the death of all who do not believe in allah, that is religion.
When islam claims miracles, that is religion.
Religion is a way of life, but that doesn’t cause it to cease being a religion
So if we’re going to be reasonable, let’s not delude ourselves and let’s call a spade a spade.
If we are to do that, then let’s reason about the existence of god, or more specifically, your version of god.
It would seem, after all, that proving the existence of deity – and specifically, your notion of deity – is a good place to begin.
no there are no versions of God. There is only One god & every major religions scriptures talk about only one God…
yes i agree..
That itself is a fallacy.
There have been over 300,000 “gods’ throughout history. What makes your god special from the others?
The abrahamic god is not even the newest god to appear in history.
he’s just the most popular.
Ok, john.. i will use my brain & you use yours..tell me, If i murder someone & than i say, it wasnt me, it was someone like me, who popped into existence out of nothing, killed the guy & than popped out f existence.. Will you agree?
Let’s stick with reality. no one has ever simply “popped” into or out of existence.
If you murder someone, today we have forensic science that will most likely catch you.
No, it doesn’t. I’ve already provided proof to that.
The universe is not a human being, an organism.
but universe is something that has a beginning…The big bang according to cosmologist is space, time & energy, the whole of space time was actually created & their are various models of the big bang, this is almost a concensus amongst the cosmologists, amongst the scientists. This is why alexander willinkan one of a good cosmologist on the planet , he says: this is proof now, the cosmologist cannot run away with this fact that the universe began to exist, it had a beginning in time & we also know that the universe must begin to exist….
i.e., evolution as a scientific theory is no longer debated in the scientific community; it is proven through germ theory and the use of antibiotics against evolving bacteria and inoculation against viruses.
And the universe DID begin to exist, not by any word spoken by any deity, but by laws of physics, specifically provable and observerable quantum mechanics
ok, we can talk about evolution after the existenc of God…So saying that universe came out of nothing is not logical….
Evolution is proof of the non-necessity of god.
The god you seem to be going after is what we atheists call “the god of gaps”.
Just because we do not yet have an absolutely complete understanding of the origin of the universe does not mean “god” did it; it means we are still learning and discovering. It does not, by any means, necessitate a deity,
if “god” can exist eternally, so can the universe – without god.
Look, john, i am not talking about God right now.. We are just looking at the possibilities that are logical… As you used your comonsense & reaosning for answering the first question, use it to think about the example i gave…
No the universe cannot, coz universe is needy, it has a beginning.. And big bang is proven fact & saying so also rejects the cause & effect principal..
Quantum mechanics doesn’t reject any of that.
Like I said, just because we don’t have ALL the answers does not necessitate a “god did it” conclusion.
Watch this & ill be right back in a while..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk
Oh, my. OK, I’ve heard this before. I’m VERY familiar with it. Did you know we’ve found over 1,000 planets in our galaxy alone with planets in that lovely “goldilocks” zone with the absolute potential for carbon-based life? In terms of sheer probability (mathematically speaking), the odds are 15% of those actually have life. That’s 150 in just that category. In terms of planetary masses around red dwarf stars (our sun is a red dwarf) which fall into the potentially inhabitable zone, the estimate is 4.5 BILLION. If only 1% are truly life-supporting, that’s still 4 million life-capable planets. It therefore — logically – is sheer hubris to think we’re “special”.
Further, the claim that a variation in earth’s orbit of more than several thousand km would fry or freeze us to death is just factually wrong. The earth’s distance from the sun varies by 5 million km due to the elliptical orbit.
I know you saw that last eleven minutes ago. Are you still up for this, or is the science bothering you?
John, can you explain me briefly, what has quantam mechanics to do with the creation of the universe??Lol! first lemme clear you this, islam is not against science neither we muslims are against it.. Please check the link below..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200435817751098&set=o.103266689766171&type=1&theater There are many other muslims who have done a lot in the fileds of science & technology…
Quantum mechanics explains in large part how the universe operates in terms of physics. String theory is its cousin. Hawkins has produced a unified theory that marries quantum and string theory into a full picture.
I am well versed in history, including the many scientific, mathematic, and architectural contributions of Muslim society in southern Europe.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the origin of the universe. That is why the unification of the two theories has been so important to our understanding of the universe.
thats good. So john, if we think logically, using commonsense & reasoning, the only conclusion we get is that the universe cannot come out of nothing…
Which, by unification theory, is totally acceptable
Even by stand-alone quantum theory, that is acceptable.
but it is not nothing, it is something… Without question, no atheist “scientist” is more popular than Lawrence Krauss (author of “A Universe from Nothing”) when it comes to calling something nothing in the name of science. But, Just because lawrence says it doesnt make it nothing..
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High School Sophomore Schools His Teacher
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Sophomore Schools His History Teacher
Jeff Bliss, a sophomore in Duncanville, TX, reached his boiling point with his history teacher, who remains unidentified. Mr. Bliss expressed in an outburst his desire to actually learn something if only his teacher would quit handing them packets (“packies,” he calls them) and get up and engage them.
What makes Mr. Bliss compelling is that he dropped out of high school his freshman year, and then came back with what he calls a passion for learning.
His outburst, recorded by a friend and posted on YouTube, went viral. The video linked here shows that video and the continuing story.
I can only applaud this young man. See, I was blessed with nearly entirely gifted teachers, and in history I was even more fortunate. I understand Mr. Bliss’ craving for learning; even in my AP History classes I thirsted to learn all I could, and my wonderful teachers all were happy to indulge me.
What frustration he must have, desiring to quench a thirst for knowledge, coming to the fountain of learning (his school), and finding the fountain dry!
LGBTQ: Those letters are explained by something called epigenetics. Read on:
So I was on Facebook, and this came across my new feed from a group I belong to called “Have a Gay Day” (https://www.facebook.com/MyGayDay):
I watched it from the perspective of a parent, a science geek, a human interest story, and through the eyes of Josie. Then I went to the comments, where a young woman had posted this:
I understand what you are saying too, you are saying not to make early and hasty decisions on whether a child is transgender not, however a transgender child knows. I knew when I was young, I was forced to live as someone I never was, and it nearly cost me my life. There is a great deal of ridicule on this subject, yet I can tell you without a second doubt that no matter how much you may try to change a transgenderd individuals mind, you just wont. It is a medical condition better treated young.
The effects of suffering a puberty that isn’t yours is not only humiliating, but downright degrading and self destructive. The chances of a person being transgendered are low, thankfully. I do not wish this pain on anyone. I can tell you especially due to intolerance in society, it is the worst pain you can endure.
The fact that I have survived is because of support by my parents, and I can tell you if not for their aid in receiving hormonal therapy, I would not be alive today with the chance of meeting the man of my dreams. Just to have a normal life, and have romance, make love, and have a family. That is all I ever want. I understand it is difficult for a person born in the correct body to understand, yet it does not make it any less real.
Then some asshole comes along with this shlock:
Oh brother. Do you even know what “real” means?
Do you understand what complete lack of discipline exists in psychiatry as compared to any other field of medicine? Do you understand that there is no empirical way to test if someone is schizophrenic or a psychopath or any of the other thousands of “personality disorders”? It’s all TALKING. That’s it. It is the modern day, and inexplicably accepted, version of phrenology.
Now, I think it should be clear, I believe in habeas corpus. You should do whatever you want with your body. Take whatever drugs you want, get whatever surgery you want. But don’t try to tell me you are born with the wrong body. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but no one is entitled to their own facts. Your DNA folds proteins that construct your body INCLUDING your brain. There is no mismatching here. Your DNA is your DNA. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
No one ever feels completely “normal”. NO ONE. No one is born into the body or life they want. Everyone wants to be kryptonian. I could say “I was born into the wrong race” or “I was born the wrong height” or “I was born with the wrong eye color” and people would say I should just deal with it and that would be the normal response, but when I say “i was born the wrong gender” suddenly everyone is supposed to take me seriously?”
I attempted to reply with this, but couldn’t because YouTube HATES links in their comments and won’t allow them:
Repeating something does not make you correct. You make claims without proof. Here is some proof you are incorrect:
Epigenetics, Evolution, Endocrine Disruption, Health,
and Disease (http://www.bio.utexas.edu/faculty/lizard/public/epievoendo.pdf)
Epigenetics Underpins Homosexuality (http://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/epigenetics-underpins-homosexuality/81247763/)
On the Science of Changing Sex (http://sillyolme.wordpress.com/tag/epigenetics/)
The point: if you’re going to shoot off your mouth like you know what you’re talking about, make sure you know what you’re talking about. Trans* people have the hardest time in life, period. Don’t go picking on my trans* cousins! I’ll rip you a new one if you do!
King: Suspected bombers' parents 'wrong,' 'offensive'
Reblogged from CNN Political Ticker:
(CNN) - Republican Rep. Peter King, former chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said Friday the Chechen community in the United States doesn't have a history of radicalization but argued it's time to question whether that's changed.
In an interview on CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper," the longtime congressman from New York also said it was "offensive" for the parents of the two suspected bombers to argue their sons were being framed in the U.S.
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Blaming “the Godless” for Boston Marathon Bombing…
The recurring theme is “if the person who did it had God, he’d have been moral and not done it”, which is ridiculous given the number of bombings in the name of religion throughout history. It is extremely more likely the perpetrator is a “believer” in some god or another – whether YHWH or Allah – and did this in some delusional religious state. Because, frankly, atheists typically don’t do this, but the religious have a LONG and RECENT record of it.
Let’s stop the Christian whiney we’re-being-persecuted nonsense
There is this notion among some Christians that their world views are becoming marginalized and even under threat by a liberal / secular social movement. It’s difficult to view a news cycle and not hear something about how some Christian group or another is all offended because it has been asked to take its religious props down from public areas. Christmas and Easter are under attack! Traditional Christian Marriage is under attack by those filthy homo-SEX-u-als! What do you mean we can’t force kids to say “one nation under God”? They’ve taken God out of our schools, legitimized gay families, and now I have to explain to my kids what it all means if we see them holding hands ini public!
I just want to know: do these people have any idea how ridiculous they sound? There is no liberal / secular conspiracy; just a lot of us – your neighbors and fellow citizens – aren’t amused at the constant chest-beating and yelling and carrying on about your God. It’s supposed to be a “personal relationship” – please respect your neighbors and fellow man and keep it that way. Talk about it with others who share your beliefs. Celebrate your holidays all you like. But please stop expecting the rest of us – those neighbors who are of different religions and sometimes no religion – to celebrate those holidays with you. Please stop using space we fund as taxpayers to display your religious props, as yes, some of us taxpaying neighbors do get offended by your displays. Some of us find them unsightly and barbaric. If you want to display your religious props on your property, mazel-tov!
No one is “attacking” your holidays. We’re objecting to being bombarded with them all the time. Enough already. I don’t see any big Rosh Hashannah sales or Winter Solstice sales going on. The public privilege your groups have enjoyed for too long is crumbling because your neighbors are tired of nonsense. Keep your holy days, to and amongst yourselves. Stop insisting that the general public owes your holiday special recognition over any other religion’s various holidays.
Traditional Christian Marriage isn’t what so many people seem to think it is. A scriptural marriage is one man and several wives; and a rapist automatically has to marry his victim; and all kinds of other nonsense that we no longer follow in the civilized world. Further, marriage existed long before Christianity, and within many major religions past and present, same-sex couples are allowed marriage. Christianity does not decide the laws of the land, nor should it, as civil equality does not require the consent of any religious body. However, I should point out that the Catholic Church has a pair of gay saints who are buried together: Saints Baccus and Sergius. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergius_and_Bacchus) Despite historians disliking the facts, these two were lovers, and joined in Holy Rite – in other words, married. But allowing those of the same gender to marry has no impact on your personal relationship with neither your spouse nor your God. Nor do you have the right to club people over the head with your religious views; your religion is personal, and abusing a person with your religion is unacceptable and a form of assault. You may think something is “a sin”, but that does not give you any kind of moral high ground. If you cannot reason out a proper answer outside your religious beliefs, you can save yourself embarrassment and your neighbors constipation by keeping your personal relationship with your god personal.
Further, if you’re a person who is bothered by two guys holding hands or kissing in public, deal with it or walk away. It’s their personal relationship and therefore none of your business. You probably don’t think twice about holding your boyfriend’s or girlfriend’s hand or kissing in public, and neither should a gay couple. So what if your kid sees? What if that IS your kid in fifteen years or less? So mind your own life. You don’t have the right to tell others that they can’t do something solely because your understanding of “God” says so. That’s not a reason, that’s a claim.
It’s really not “one nation under God”, either. It wasn’t until June 14, 1954 that those words were added to the Pledge of Allegiance. Christianity inserted itself into public affairs when many of us do not believe in god. So no, children are not required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, especially with that offensively presumptuous phrase.
And finally, God has not been taken out of the schools. God does not belong in schools. God belongs in churches, not schools. It is your personal God, your personal relationship with God. You do not have the right to force your religious nonsense upon the minds of others.
Oh, yeah. One after-thought: Science is your friend, by the way, so can we please stop this whole creationism nonsense? It’s really hurting our nation’s ability to compete globally.




